Subject: the last trump
   Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:57 AM
   From: Min
   To: alrogers@gmx.com

Dear Mr Rogers, greeting to in the name of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. My name Min living in Manchester England. I must say that i really enjoy your Website on the end time pophecy of the Bible, before i found your your websit i do beleive in a post tribulation rapture i tell some of the saints over but they say i am teaching false doctrine , there is only one thing that i did not see, is that rapture and the second coming is at the same time. can you show me when the rapture would take in revelation and also will the Jews be save after the Church is gone.God bless your ministry.

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Al's reply:

Dear Min,

Thank you for viewing my site.

I know how you feel when some one tells you the post-trib rapture is a false teaching or doctrine, when we know it is not, but what they are teaching is. Just the other day, I was talking to a retired seventy year old seminary Southern Baptist preacher, and he told me the same thing that you were told; and then he said I should get in my car and leave after our initial fifteen minute discussion. I didn't say another word, being in his house, I just walked out the door, got in my car and drove off. Doing that I might have left an open door for a later discussion. Now if our discussion had been in a public place, he could not have told me to leave, and I probably would have had a better chance defending the truth.

During the discussion of 2 Thessalonians chapter two, I told him that verse seven wasn't talking about the Church being taken out, and that Day wasn't going to come until, according to verse three, there would be a 'falling away' (Those two words have a understanding of 'apostasy' in it similar to the words 'offended' in Matthew 13:20-21 and 'fall away' in Luke 8:13 -- when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, or time of temptation, ones that received the seed into stony places/ground or those on the rock were offended, enticed to apostasy, and fell away.) and the man of sin be revealed. That is when he told me to leave. I believe the apostasy message caused offence or may have convicted him. I hope I planted some seed that will stay with him until he searches those truths out for himself.

That discussion and Matthew 24:29-31 truth, when Jesus comes after (which means 'post' in Latin) the tribulation, is very effective when teaching pretribbers the truth. They might run you off or want to lock you up if they can, so be a Saint when you talk to them. You may not know which one is a wolf in sheep's clothing or a misled sheep.

The second part of Hebrews 9:28 says, "...unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." That is the Second Advent, and we are the ones that are looking for Him. There is only one more time Christ is coming (Rev 14:14-16), not two or three more times -- one first resurrection (Rev 20:5-6), one harvest (Rev 14:14-16), one rapture (1 Th 4:16-17), one gathering unto Him (Mat 24:29-31; 2 Thes 2:1-3), for they all describe a one time advent. You could look at it, when Christ comes, we are resurrected, changed (1 Cor 15 52-54), raptured up and gathered with Him in the clouds; and while He is doing His miraculous work of altering the earth, He pours His wrath on all deserving parties, judges and makes war (Rev 19:11-13), wins the battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:14, 16, 19:14-21). He does so much in a short period of time at His second coming, which is also the Day of the Lord. In the twinkling of an eye we will be changed. God's wrath comes quickly after we are caught up. As you read again and go deeper into my Bible Studies, the chronology of end time events will become better ordered and clearer in your mind and heart.

I believe many Jews or Israelis and Gentile, and everyone who haven't worshipped the beast or image, or received the mark of the beast (Rev 13:4, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4) during the Tribulation, and even those during the Millennium will be saved or have a chance to be saved.

(Rev 14:6 KJV) "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

(Rev 22:17 KJV) "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

As for five of the ten virgins, who many believe to be Jews or Israelis in Matthew 25:1-13, who had taken no oil for their lamps (had not the 'Anointed One', Christ, or the Holy Spirit in their life), they had their chance. There will be some, who have been misinformed, have not heard the truth (Rom 5:13), whether it be adults, children or unborn, that will have a chance to get saved during the Tribulation and Millennium. Jesus says for those who will endure until the end shall be saved (Mat 24:13; Mark 13:13). To endure such a catastrophe during the Tribulation and God's wrath, one would have to have God on their side. To be an over comer one will have to be born again (John 5:1-5). There will be people living, dieing and being physically born even during the Millennium (Isa 11:6-8, 65:20-22).

I have another study that I hope to have up on my site soon that I will probably call "The Bride" that will have within it some information on the living fountains of water, and the river of water of life that proceeds out of the throne of God and of the Lamb, water for anyone that is thirsty during the Millennium. People will still have a chance to accept the truth even then.

I hope I have helped to answer your questions. Please continue to study God's word. Believe it and commit it to heart. If some things appear puzzling and hard to figure out, pray and depend on God to give you the understanding. No matter how hard things may get, how difficult people might be, He will be with you (Heb 13:5-6) to guide you (John 14:17-18) and comfort you (2 Cor 1:3-4).

With Love in Christ,
Brother Al

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