Subject: God bless you for your faithful rendering of holy scripture
   Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:06:40 -0500
   From: "Gavin" 
   To: alrogers@gmx.com

I appreciate your work. I am hoping to join you with some discoveries and encouragement to the sincere seeker of the truth of God's word in the coming weeks. The people of God need to be prepared. Meanwhile the following studies have proved useful

1. The return of the Messiah at Bozrah, capital of Edom. The Lord opened this up to me on a recent fast.

2. Isaac's prophecy of dominion of the wild sons of Esau at the end of this age. Are they among us today? Were they involved say at the Oklahoma city bombing? They did infiltrate our Jewish brethren with the Idumeans and the Herods. Remember Doeg in David's day? Is the spirit of Esau programming young minds with graphically violent video games and movies.

3.The story of the anabaptists and their renouncing of all political protection. Gateway Video's "The Radicals" is a superbly presented and inspiring story. It delineates clearly the way of the cross and the way of the sword.

4.Church-state relations only go back as far as 325 A.D.and Constantine. Is he the de-facto father of the established church? In his "vision" before the battle of Milvian bridge the cross in the sky was transformed into a sword. Is the current church-state unrest about a re-negotiation of the Constantinian covenant for political protection? If the political arena is looking bad for evangelicals shouldn't we just forge ahead with the fulfilment of our Great Commission spiritual responsibilities?

5.Reuniting the resurrection of the righteous dead with the rapture of the righteous living as per 1 Thess. is a useful way to help people see where the rapture cannot precede the resurrection of martyrs of the great trib. Rev. 20 then clearly spells out that this is the first resurrection. So no rapture can precede this. I went to ask about this on Calvary Chapel's "To every man an answer" and was cut off the air.

Yours in Christ,
gwfinley@hotmail.com
(an old Australian anesthesiologist)

   Subject: Love and end-time truth
   Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 21:11:19 PDT
   From: "Gavin" 
   To: alrogers@gmx.com

Dear Mr. Rogers,

I found your website today and appreciate your ministry. Here are some thoughts that you may find helpful. In Him, Gavin Finley M.D.

The prophet Daniel and the apostle John both contributed enormously to our understanding of the end time climax of this age. What was it about them that caused them to be entrusted with these awesome and glorious truths? Can their personal lives be an example and guide to us in addition to their writings? The scriptures show clearly that they were not just cloistered scholarly types who arrived at the truth through some prolonged intellectual process. Certainly they were diligent and zealous for the things of God and both found themselves caught up in extraordinary times. By the end of their days they had seen not only the rise and fall of kingdoms and rulers but had seen across the centuries to the our day and the second coming of our Redeemer, the long awaited Messiah of Israel. What may well prove to be most noteworthy, however, is that both were given special mention in scripture as being beloved of God. The covenant relationship was to each as much a passion of heart as a clear and logical view into the mind of Christ. Both were miraculously delivered from murderous persecutions. Daniel spent a night protected from a den of hungry lions and John, (legend has it), emerged unscathed from a barrel of boiling oil. Their patient endurance through tribulation proved their devotion and their trustworthiness. So perhaps a simple case could be made that their worthiness to receive and deliver to us the Word of God relating to the apocalypse was an outflow of a tested love relationship with God.

The second coming of our Lord is as much an act of love in deliverance as it is the arrival of doomsday for those who have persisted in personal rebellion and wickedness. The end-time truths were of such severity that Daniel fainted, (as we probably would today) when this Logos was downloaded into his soul. He was not given an understanding as to how the end time saints lose the temporal power struggle yet in the end inherit the Kingdom of God. This was a mystery to him as it is to us 1,900 years later. Coming to terms with and preparing for the inevitable and necessary spiritual war that lies just ahead is what the books of Daniel and the Revelation are all about. This is not just an exercise in scholarship but a journey along with and into the heart of the Shepherd that is destined to totally captivate and consume us. The passage will take us beyond possessions and political protection concerns. Along these high pathways we shall transcend concerns of survivalism and the self-life of the current age to pass into realms of unspeakable glory that are not yet in view. Yes we may be scattered like sheep without a shepherd, but not one will be lost. Yes, we may have been and still yet may be exiles among the goyim (heathen} but God will make us a "light to the gentiles." Yes, we may be accounted as sheep for the slaughter but "we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us." You will be betrayed by family and friends. "They will send some of you to your death," Jesus shared privately in the Olivet discourse; "But not one hair of your head shall be lost." His words to each of us from that place of the olive press are still heard today, "I am with you always, even unto the end of the age."

Can these truths be grasped by the human mind as they attempt to look into these things from outside? No they cannot. Even those of us who walk in the covenant under state protection in the Western nations (and therefore being substantially untested), only know of these things theologically or as gleaned from the faithful testimonies of witness-martyrs from other lands and times. The unfolding of the final mysteries, the manifestation of the greater works and the serving of that best wine held in reserve to the last await the victorious outcome of that great global corporate baptism of fire. Only by asking a combat veteran what "baptism of fire" means will you be likely to get a straight answer. However he will not be able to convey in words the things that he experienced. Only those so initiated really know. The wise fathers, some of the young men but not the children know of the events that must yet happen. Half the saints that have ever lived are alive today. We stand at the threshold of the seventh millenium from Adam. The visible church is many hundreds of millions strong but a staggering proportion are destined to defect from faith in Christ. The coming "great falling away" or apostasy is described by the apostle Paul in his second letter to the Thessalonians. Many will be unprepared. Some will be offended and go over to the Edomites. The curtain is about to go up on the most riveting drama and the most captivating love story that this world and the watching angels have ever seen. The Messiah will return for a Church without spot, wrinkle or blemish. The refining of the saints will conclude with the revelation of the Messiah as the Lion of Judah roaring from Zion, pleading with pestilence and bloodshed at Jezreel and trampling the grapes of wrath to deliver His elect from Esau’s fortress/sheepfolds at Bozrah. This will also be the day of the vengeance of our God. This "Great Day of the Lord" or "Day of Christ" is mentioned many times in the prophetic word for our edification. We need to know that righteous judgement will come, not just to help us personally to go through the Great Tribulation with patience but so we may minister with compassion and urgency to those very ones who will be persecuting us. Joseph ministered the bread of life to his previously hostile brothers and also to those outside the covenant from across the world. His life story is a pattern of church history. His grace and patience in tribulation will be gloriously seen again in the people of Jacob as they bow down to enter into the spiritual flows of those children of the beloved Rachel, namely Joseph and Benjamin. And so the pilgrimage continues on into the end-time. How will they possibly be able to go through with this? The answer is, "They will do it because of Love".

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   Subject: The Last Trump
   Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:23:57 -0700
   From: "Al" alrogers@gmx.com
   Organization: Carpentry/Ministry
   To: "Gavin"   

Al's reply:

Dear Bro Gavin,

I appreciate your comments and you looking at the study the Lord (YAHWEH) is giving me to piece together. I know it is not by my efforts alone that I do this. I have always wanted to do something special and unique for the Lord, so that not only my friends but my opposers and enemies might not only hear but read and pass around what is given me. God is truly blessing. I have always worked with my hands and never had the ability to write things. I wanted to become a leader but never could get much started nor have many followers. (Forgive me if I am a little vain but I wanted to answer and thank you for your letter. I am in such a strait fix in my life at this time and every way I look I seemed to be snared. I will try to talk my way through.) I knew I had something important to say but no one seemed to hear, and it is still that way with much of my family and friends. I have realized that I will get little recognition (not just to be seen nor for the praise of men). I would like more than a few to hear what the Lord is showing me. You and I are on similar wave lengths. We have got to get the truth out to as many as possible, because one day soon it is going to be to late. The more souls God can reach through us the more pleasing it will be. Can you imagine, when we are around the throne of God Almighty and the Lamb, what it is going to be like having had a part in the saved souls that are there, because of our willingness to be the feet of the Gospel here and now?

You have a special and unique calling. God is giving you some great things to say and it seems you are on the right road (Mat 7:13-14). We need to stay in the word, especially when there seems to be a paradox, and we do not understand it. I prefer to use the King James (I do not have nor want a Scofield Bible with the references and notes), because it may have been less tampered with. There seems to be an after-taste to some old English words, but when I get into the Greek and Hebrew -- I am no scholar -- I do understand more and the word of God comes through. I continue to learn the truth by rightly dividing the word, using Strong's concordance when necessary. At this time there is no end to studying the word; and if I do come to a dead end, I feel I have made a wrong turn somewhere: for God is Eternal and so is His word. Although we have translations, God has preserved His written word in a marvelous way.

Whenever I feel forsaken by all and I am left with God only as my friend, this is when I learn to trust Him more. Not to mention or talk about this problem that has compounded in my life the past 22 years. At a time when I am about to loose everything once again, I am eager to see how and what God is going to do after I make another big step of faith. A purging is occuring in my life and the flames are getting hotter each day. I have got to remember and continue to deny myself and carry this cross (Mat 16:24-26). Jesus said His yolk is easy and His burden is light (Mat 11:28-30). I am not expected to be free of my duty no matter what. He is going to be with me through this trying time (Heb 13:5).

We have never met but I feel you have an understanding spirit. I wanted to write to encourage you and I hope I have done that. Continue to do what God has called you to do. If I take my page off the Internet for awhile, I will be back. Thank you for giving me some of your time. Please pray for my wife and I.

With Love in Christ,
Al and Cindy

The Last Trump
http://www.lasttrumpgathering.com
alrogers@gmx.com

PS
I will be studying those topics you have mentioned.