Dave wrote:

I read your web site and I must say that the rapture will take place before
the tribulation.  Your interpretation is a little mixed up and you might
want to look at Revelation 4.  After the 3rd chapter, the church isn't even
mentioned and the second coming is not the same as the rapture.  Tribulation
was always for the unsaved and persecution was always for the Christian.
You put things in order but you have no order the way things happen.  Yes
your scriptures are true, but tribulation first is not what scripture
reveals.  When we see these things, look up and your redemption draweth
nigh.  Look at 1st Corinthians chapter 15.  Your first statement on after
the tribulation, gives no insight to the rapture happening after.  The
Marriage will take place in heaven and the supper on earth.  Look again at
Rev.4

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Al's reply:

Dear Dave,

Please don't be offended. One of good ground and spiritually minded would understand the truth about the rapture. We call it the rapture but it is the First Resurrection. I am sorry you do not understand the truth. We have translations of the word and taking main Greek words on the rapture topic when studying will help you to understand it. My study only gets you started into studying the rapture and some events that occur around the second coming of Jesus Christ. Yes, Second Coming (Heb 9:28). He is only coming one more time. Dividing the Rapture and Second Coming into two parts won't work. It is like taking the compound salt (sodium and chloride) and separating its two elements and then taking one at a time by mouth. They may not be so good for use to take separately but good to take together as God intended. We do not want to destroy the quality of salt, and we sure don't want to destroy the quality of God's message He is trying to get across to us.

"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men."  (Mat 5:13 KJV)

Many have been taught this Pretribulation Rapture lie so long that they are blind to the word. Many believe it without even studying the word for themselves. I do not understand why they believe that lie, we can now call fiction, unless it is for the reasons such as, it sounds good and feels good (think) that they will escape this Mega (world wide) Trouble that is coming. Ones who believe this lie have no scripture or have very few scripture, that has been twisted, to fit what they believe. There is no real scriptural basis for it. Maybe that is the reason its teachers go to Pyramidology, Astrology, cults and whatever else to substantiate their doctrine with something that sounds good and appealing to the masses. I have read this book ("The Three R's," its author Dave MacPherson who recently sent me.) that has helped me to understand more on how and on where these ones who hold to the Pre-Trib Rapture theory (we can now call fiction) get any grounds (which is only sinking sand) for their belief. They have gone outside of the word, used others' testimonies, misinterpretations and false visions, and have used astrology, symbols of the Zodiac, pyramidology and etc. thinking those things would help them understand the many symbols of the word. They are only tying (prostituting) themselves with pagan (Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, etc.) religions and occults that are contrary to the word. You need to read Dave MacPherson's books to learn more about where this false rapture belief has come from, and how the false prophets substantiate this false doctrine of pretrib rapture.

It is interesting how people will believe the words of gossip but not the Gospel and Good News that God has to offer. This Escapist doctrine is like gossip that has been relayed through a lot of people. They have gotten away from the word, and started believing  what man has said after it has gone through a few prominent false prophets. We need to get the facts from the eyewitnesses in the word. One can have the biggest following in the world and still be wrong. The broad way is wide that leads to destruction and many will go that way. The way to life is narrow (In the Greek can mean, afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble) and few will find it (Mat 7:14). On that narrow way one will suffer tribulation and trouble.

If you do not believe tribulation is for a Christian, then I know you have not studied the word or haven't studied enough and have not rightly divided it. I do not say those things to hurt your feeling, but what you have said really shows what you have done on this matter of studying God's word. You really need to study yourself and make a study on the Rapture topic before you speak any more on it. Jesus' own words said we would have tribulation. Just a few verses to show tribulation is also for the Christian.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." (John 16:33 KJV)

"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev 2:10 KJV)

The one of stony ground who received the seed became offended (In the Greek can figuratively mean, stumble [trans.] or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure) when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake (Mk 4:17), or as Luke put, " in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13). If you do not believe tribulation can be for a Christian then you might be offended and fall away when it does come.

"But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended."  (Mat 13:20-21 KJV)

"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13 KJV)

What the Great Tribulation is is a world wide troubled worse then any time in the history of the world. Before Jesus delivers us, it is going to be like the days of Lot and Noah, and similar to how the children of Israel were delivered from Pharaoh in Egypt, at the time when Moses was God's spokesman when the plagues came on Egypt. After the two witnesses burn a few of their enemies, turn some waters to blood, smite the earth with plagues then they will be killed. Before the seven bowls of the wrath of God come, those two and the Church are delivered and resurrected.  The first six trumpets and plagues are not necessarily the wrath of God. The wrath comes at the end of the Tribulation after Christ raptures His Church. For the Christian tribulation is not the wrath of God. If one is experiencing the wrath of God, he may need to check out his salvation.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36 KJV)

If you believe who Christ is, you may still need to check out your salvation. The devils knew who Jesus was when He was casting them out during His earthly ministry ( Lk 4:41).

Peter knew who He was and was called Satan by Jesus (Mat 16:23).

Let God and His word be true and every man a liar (Rom 3:4). If you divide the word properly, you will see what I have seen about the end time events. You need to get into the word yourself and let it speak to you. Let scripture interpret scripture, not false prophets, assumptions and own thoughts (Prov 3:1-24 KJV). If it doesn't show you a Postrib Rapture then God's word is not true. I will stand on God's word as being true on what He has shown me. Reconsider your salvation and stand, and get back into the word before it is too late.

With Love in Christ!

Al
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